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BOTM shot right there!

I still think that it won't sell. Not in Europe anyway, the aesthetics of that front end... and it's a Harley. there'a a huge portion of the riding world who would refuse to buy one however good it is on those two criteria alone. I'm not saying they're right, i'm just saying they exist. Add to this the lack of dealers and tech support outside of the US and you have another reason to not want one. Like it or not, these are all real factors in motorcycle choice. However, they have called it the "Pan America" which situates its target demographic pretty clearly in the US, which is where they already have a serious market, the dealer network is more developed and being a domestic product is a sales argument rather than the contraire. So far I have only read reports from professional riders or journalists, mostly from manufacturer organised test days. The real information will come when Joe public gets his grubby hands on it and starts dropping it and using all the wrong settings, and generally abusing it. I've already seen on various "adventure" sites, the nay sayers who ask "what happens when it breaks down half way across africa" " how you going to service the variable valve timing at the roadside in a guatemalan monsoon" .... "Pan America" if they have designed it for that purpose then I imagine it fits pretty much it's design brief.

s'funny how quickly you can go off some people...?

I can provide boats if you really want...

definately not a fan of those high pipes.

so am I just not of where I want

nice looking machine Tango, I might have fallen for one of those had a good 2nd hand one been available when I needed. I'd like to hear how you get on with it once you can start riding any sort of distance again.

you do.

yeah, same old same old since 2006

if you want a ring of truth to it, givingan identity to the site motorcycleparking.com is probably available I'm trying to be helpful...honest!

drop "adventure" go with "motorcyclerider.com" or .net we're more about the riders than the actual bikes themselves

well I made some vaguely serious suggestions and they're too long cos theres always motorcycle forum plus at least one other word, looks to me like you can't have anything other than "the motorcycleforum.com" and I've run out of ideas now

motorpsycleforum.com

some bike forums have either a questionnaire or a load of profile details to fill in. A reoccuring question is "riding style", to which I always reply " Yes". ?

MFI MotorcycleForumInternational.com ( or as Mel Smith once put it " Made for Fucking Idiots" only the brits would get the furniture gag)

anything using "Motorcycle" rather than "Bike" is a mouthful, add more words and yes it become long and boring. some of them were a joke Pete...

it's not a "right" or "correct" way of riding Pete, it's just "another" way of cornering, I use it either when I've misjudged a corner and gone in too fast and need to correct, ( backing off the throttle will sit the bike up and make it run wide) or am trying to keep up with faster bikes / riders and need to carry more speed through the corners.

you don't want to "hit" anything once you're beyond a certain angle, The clue is in the title " Trail" braking, you're just feathering the trailing (rear) brake into the corner, allowing the use of the brake as a further control of angle and speed ( in conjunction with throttle and bar inputs), usually only releasing it completely, as Buck says, at the apex as the bike then needs to sit back up and accelerate out of the corner. ( some sort of disclaimer here about not confusing road and circuit, safety ahould be first consideration etc etc and that I am in no way affiliated or accredited by the california highway patol or anyother competant or incompetant organisation)

The Real Motorcycle Forum International Motorcycle forum (The IMF ) WorldWide Mororcycle Forum ( probably wouldn't get away with that ... WWMF) The proper Motorcycle Forum The Right Motorcycle Forum Ye Olde Motorcycle Forum The SOG Motorcyle Forum The Fossilised Motorcycle Forum The Motorcycle Forum 3rd Age The Motorcycle Forum Tokyo drift the possibilities are endless...

Georgia the state or Georgia the country?

French cherry trees to rival Bob's neighbours

cherry scrumping tiger

Pete, can you move my post to ride reports? I done gone put it in da rong place innit. cos i is a fukwit!

how to ride nearly 3 hours whilst remaining within 10km of home. something like this: nearly all pretty minor roads, which is what we like, and the dark brown bits on the trace are unpaved sections. Sun shining, spring in the air and 20 odd degrees forcast for the afternoon. I had to take N01 daughter back to uni in the afternoon so did this in the morning, set off about 10h30 up through St Bris le Vineux and on to St Cyr les Colons the village itself is "out of bounds" so cut north back under the autoroute, twice, and on to montallery and Bleigny le Carreaux. It had taken me a while to find a way out of Bleigny le Carreaux without crossing the 10km line, but a shot dirt track liason sorted the problem allowing me to cut back westwards through to Moneteau and cross the river there. There was no way to hug the northern edge of the circle without crossing out of it, so I had to work back south a little before heading towards the western sector. and some cherry orchards. soon be scrumping time... time ws getting on and I knew N01 would be getting her knickers in a twist if I didn't get back soon so from here, above Coulanges la Vineuse, I pushed on a bit down through Vinvelles, back across the river, up and down the hillclimb course at Chitry le Fort, back to St bris, cuting left up over the Col Du Cremant and back to the river at Vincelottes and thus home along the riverbanks. Got home with impeccable timing ( as always) at 12h30 just as Lunch was coming out of the oven. 100km almost exactly with a moving average of almost 50km/h . scoffed lunch, jumped in the car and did 3 hours of Autoroute taking N01 back to Dijon.