I think I might have over egged that story the two guys I was talking about were farmers sons (brothers), no doubt there was money there and their dad did pay for their bikes but they worked on the farm from a young age, and certainly weren't the entitled type. But on the other side their Dad also let his sons and a whole group of their friends ride in a wood on his land, twas bloody idyllic really. Really rugby killed that past time for a lot of us, when we got older and graduated to the first team none of us had much time for off roading anymore.