busabeast Posted Saturday at 22:40 Share Posted Saturday at 22:40 117ci and 165bhp..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted Saturday at 22:49 Author Share Posted Saturday at 22:49 Harley have a 76ci motor that puts out 150hp, if they put that in a bagger then they could easily tune it to 180hp, with an increase to say 95ci they could see 200hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted yesterday at 01:23 Share Posted yesterday at 01:23 2 hours ago, busabeast said: 117ci and 165bhp..... A 112 with cams , some exaust work...180hp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted yesterday at 09:28 Share Posted yesterday at 09:28 10 hours ago, Buckster said: Harley have a 76ci motor that puts out 150hp, if they put that in a bagger then they could easily tune it to 180hp, with an increase to say 95ci they could see 200hp. Might has well compare the 1250 from the pan-am to ktm 1290 , in no way shape or form the 1250 displacement could be increased to 97ci , it would need to be totally redesigned and would be a completely new engine...in your dreams Buckwheat...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted yesterday at 10:16 Author Share Posted yesterday at 10:16 45 minutes ago, Marcel said: Might has well compare the 1250 from the pan-am to ktm 1290 , in no way shape or form the 1250 displacement could be increased to 97ci , it would need to be totally redesigned and would be a completely new engine...in your dreams Buckwheat...lol. Just pointing out the fact they have a 76ci motor that is more powerful than the upcoming Indian 117. They can upscale it if they want to, they have the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 9 hours ago, Buckster said: Just pointing out the fact they have a 76ci motor that is more powerful than the upcoming Indian 117. They can upscale it if they want to, they have the means. More hp , but way less torque, maybe they will eventually make something, but selling overweight and fitting with a crapy running engine is Harley bread winner, I doubt you'll see a fully liquid cooled touring bike from Harley any time soon .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted 16 hours ago Author Share Posted 16 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Marcel said: More hp , but way less torque, maybe they will eventually make something, but selling overweight and fitting with a crapy running engine is Harley bread winner, I doubt you'll see a fully liquid cooled touring bike from Harley any time soon .... They can tune the revmax for more torque and it would still have more power than any snow mobile engine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Met a guy today that sells chinese scooters, he says cubic inches ain’t shit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted 13 hours ago Author Share Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, Pedro said: Met a guy today that sells chinese scooters, he says cubic inches ain’t shit! Depends on your pronouns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 14 hours ago, Buckster said: They can tune the revmax for more torque and it would still have more power than any snow mobile engine. Would you stop with your non- sence , Harleys gen 2 m8's are exploding left and right , due to poor shit parts , cranks breaking in half , oil pumps failing like cnn TV rating...go look and Harley forums if you don't believe me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Marcel said: Would you stop with your non- sence , Harleys gen 2 m8's are exploding left and right , due to poor shit parts , cranks breaking in half , oil pumps failing like cnn TV rating...go look and Harley forums if you don't believe me.... The oil pump problem was addressed 5 years ago, as usual you are talking shite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 28 minutes ago, Buckster said: The oil pump problem was addressed 5 years ago, as usual you are talking shite. The oil pump is only 1 of many problems with these engines, literally junk , you can't even do 20 thousand miles without a major engine failure...and you know it ...ive heard through reliable source harleys top lead engineer, that they acquired two powerplus engine from Indian and they are reverse engenring them in a secret location somewhere in the Nevada... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, Marcel said: The oil pump is only 1 of many problems with these engines, literally junk , you can't even do 20 thousand miles without a major engine failure...and you know it ...ive heard through reliable source harleys top lead engineer, that they acquired two powerplus engine from Indian and they are reverse engenring them in a secret location somewhere in the Nevada... Really, are they going to address the rocker arm issues, the flywheel problems, the cold starting issues, fuel pump problems, just look at the forums, they are utter shite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, Buckster said: Really, are they going to address the rocker arm issues, the flywheel problems, the cold starting issues, fuel pump problems, just look at the forums, they are utter shite? Hey its a new engine, a few bugs are expected...all those issues have been resolved, unlike Harley who tell there customer...its all normal having and crank vibrate apart at 20 thousand miles....what you are failing to recognize is that indian uses a one piece forge crank and Harleys are still using a press pin crank...soon has any little increase in power output those things explode through the side case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Marcel said: Hey its a new engine, a few bugs are expected...all those issues have been resolved, unlike Harley who tell there customer...its all normal having and crank vibrate apart at 20 thousand miles....what you are failing to recognize is that indian uses a one piece forge crank and Harleys are still using a press pin crank...soon has any little increase in power output those things explode through the side case.... All v-twin engines have a crank pin, some are welded and some are pressed, if you were a mechanic you would know that. Indian use both welded and pressed crank pins. Harley had a problem with the early oil pumps which caused sumping on the M8 and crank bearing failure. All dealt with years ago. Incidentally S&S have gone back to pressed pin cranks for all their high power applications with zero failures. Indian had a real problem with their flywheels which they get from China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Buckster said: All v-twin engines have a crank pin, some are welded and some are pressed, if you were a mechanic you would know that. Indian use both welded and pressed crank pins. Harley had a problem with the early oil pumps which caused sumping on the M8 and crank bearing failure. All dealt with years ago. Incidentally S&S have gone back to pressed pin cranks for all their high power applications with zero failures. Indian had a real problem with their flywheels which they get from China. Would you stop embarrassing yourself....or I might have to lay down another smacked down hotel on your candy arse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marcel Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, Buckster said: All v-twin engines have a crank pin, some are welded and some are pressed, if you were a mechanic you would know that. Indian use both welded and pressed crank pins. Harley had a problem with the early oil pumps which caused sumping on the M8 and crank bearing failure. All dealt with years ago. Incidentally S&S have gone back to pressed pin cranks for all their high power applications with zero failures. Indian had a real problem with their flywheels which they get from China. By the way no engine components are from China....get your fact straight...you are starting to sound like the BBC....lol The powerplus is all American steel made in house in America... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, Buckster said: Not on the poweplus.....Double KABOOM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Anyway Buck even someone like you with little mechanical know-how can tell you a steel one piece crank is way stronger than a pin press or a welded one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted 32 minutes ago Author Share Posted 32 minutes ago 25 minutes ago, Marcel said: Anyway Buck even someone like you with little mechanical know-how can tell you a steel one piece crank is way stronger than a pin press or a welded one.... I have significantly more mechanical knowledge than you, you are basically a tyre fitter that pretends to be a mechanic. A forged crank has some advantages but you still need to machine the wrist pin, I prefer fully machined flywheels. Here is the difference, the Indian crank assembly looks like it is made of Lego by comparison. Indian. Harley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted 13 minutes ago Share Posted 13 minutes ago 16 minutes ago, Buckster said: I have significantly more mechanical knowledge than you, you are basically a tyre fitter that pretends to be a mechanic. A forged crank has some advantages but you still need to machine the wrist pin, I prefer fully machined flywheels. Here is the difference, the Indian crank assembly looks like it is made of Lego by comparison. Indian. Harley Don't know Buck but the Indian crank looks way more solid than the Harley one...Harley crank looks like its held together with pop rivets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted just now Share Posted just now Well answer this Mr Scotty , why everyone who know anything about Harleys and who are doing any serious engine upgrades ....the first thing they change out is the crank to a welded one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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