Nute

On 21/04/2024 at 12:40, Tango said:

We watched the two Rebel Moon films over the weekend.  They were so bad that they were entertaining! 

"Join our rebellion!"

"Why?"

"Because we want you to!"

"Oh, alright then"

Script- Poor

Continuity- Also poor!

Plot - Predictable!

Acting - Wooden!

All-in-all entertaining in a train wreck kind of way!

I read in the news that 21 million people watched the second part in the first few days it was out. One of them was me, what a bloody waste of 2 hrs of my life. It was shit. 

5 hours ago, Saul said:

Well I have jacked it in for the day.    Bench done, fixed my mitre saw and started stripping out the old rotten decking.    Knackered now

 

I feel your pain there. In a fit of enthusiasm 12 years or so ago I built a deck, couldn't afford hardwood for the under the deck bit, now I have to pull a third of it up every 2-3 years to replace the bits that have gone rotten. Pain in the arse.  

2 hours ago, Marcel le Moose Fondler said:

Wyll you twats were busy beating your meat...I took the the Harley killer out for its first run...

 

It is a lovely colour.

Was out on mine today and came the closest ive ever been to coming off it. I ended up on a minor road which has so much crap on it that it was just two narrow ribbons of tarmac with gravel either side and down the middle, caught the gravel and almost came off. Was only doing 10-15mph. 

32 minutes ago, Six30 said:

what car is it a ford?

No, a kit car built by a GP in his garage. I had to resolve a load of idiosyncrasies on it when I bought it from him 12 years ago.
 

Still not fixed, I looked at it, got head down in the footwell to work out how to get the dash off, decided my back hurt then went out on my Indian instead. Maybe next w/end … 

52 minutes ago, Buckster said:

Mice living in the dash.

Had that before. My mums car was in the garage for years as she hunt been able to drive for a long time. We decided to try to get it going and on pulling things apart found the air filter compartment full of something a squirrel or mice had spent ages stashing there.

I have had an electrical fault on my car for months, actually it’s probably a couple of years now, the rev counter only works intermittently. To get it to work correctly I need to turn some lights on, any lights, doesn’t matter which, switch them on and it starts working. It even goes on/off in time with the indicators. 
I keep meaning to get to it to trace the issue but can’t be arsed to pull the dash off. Today might be the day

13 hours ago, Buckster said:

Ohh, a crossbow, that looks fun

1 minute ago, Buckster said:

The contradiction between OT and NT don't exist, context is very important and Christs fulfillment of the law abrogates the required satisfaction for sin as he vicariously pays the price on the cross. Who exactly do you understand Jesus to be? Serious question. 

OK, I can understand that. There are numerous instances of Jesus contradicting the OT, each could be excused as above as it's a one size fits all argument. 

Jesus is the son of God. 

3 hours ago, Buckster said:

Reference the contradictions in the OT. Reference the contradictions between the Old and New Testament. OT - an eye for an eye,  NT - forgive those that trespass against you. There are many others, read Deuteronomy. Ive always wondered how the human race descended from Adam & Eve without a bit of incest along the way?

How did the animals get from the ark to their respective locations on the earth? The same way they got to the ark. Still doesn't answer the question. In the absence of British Airways I'm puzzled how a koala bear made it to the meeting point. And how did they all fit? Were the dinosaurs on it? I wish Noah had left seagulls and mosquitos behind. 

Antibiotic resistant bacteria, what did it evolve from? If you say another type of bacteria then that is a variation, not proof of evolution, evolution requires a change of type for it to be proven, that’s what it claims after all. Its a mutation, the building block of evolution, see also pesticide resistant insects etc

Trees etc. post flood from seeds etc. and others survived despite the flood according to God’s will, I know you won’t like that answer but you will have to get over it. You must admit that stretches credulence somewhat, but you obviously have faith in it

Moon rocks, we are back to the radiometric dating anomalies, I’ll ask again, show me one study where radiometric dating has dated a rock accurately to its known age. ...you don't see any irony here in you disbelieving the scientific method of dating yet placing total faith in a document that you have no proof whatsoever as to its provenance, just blind faith (which isn't a bad thing) that it's the truth in the face of the principals of physics which suggest your conclusion cannot be correct. 

Zzzak? Some things are better off remaining a mystery. We agree on that...

 

You obviously have your faith and no internet argument is going to change that, as it wouldn't mine. 

1 hour ago, Buckster said:

It is extrapolated from the genealogy in the bible. See here.

Thanks, interesting read.

A few points in no particular order -

The Old Testament contains a fair few contradictions. There is also some debate about who wrote it and when. I realise you are probably of the view that t was dictated to Moses by God but then there are vivid contradictions in what should be Christian principals between the Old T and the New. I don't view the OT as reliable yet the age of the earth can be determined by the apparent progression of lineage of the main players? The simple statement that this is the word of God as given to Moses doesn't override the wealth of scientific evidence to the contrary on the age of the earth. 

The half life of an isotope is measurable. It is fixed and doesn't vary. Granted for those with massively long half lives there will be a margin of error in their calculation. 

If the earth is 6,000 years old how are we seeing light from stars which are many millions of years old. 

Noah/flood is inconsistent with reality. The dimensions of he ark are stipulated yet no way is that large enough to fit 2 of everything in it (plus food etc)

If the ark grounded on mount Ararat how did animals get to other continents

If the art is 6K years old that's not sufficient time for evolution to come up with the assortment of differing human attributes (the diff between what I look like and an aboriginal chap in Australia for example). 

Evolution is not just a theory, we can see it happening around us (emergence of antibiotic resistant bacteria for example)

We have bought back rocks from the moon (unless you are Zak) which date from the formation of the moons crust which with no tectonic activity is fecking old. I can't be bothered to look it up.

If the earth was flooded for a year where has every other living thing which wasn't loaded onto the Ark come from? Trees, fungi, Zak, etc

There is evidence of human habitation which is older than 6K years

There are any number of fossils in sedimentary rock magnitudes older than 6K years. What happened to the dinosaurs?

I could spend all day coming up with this stuff.

Of course all of the above can be simply answered by God simply creating the universe that way and that's all there is to it. I would argue however that we his creations are thinking, inquisitive, enquiring and curious, why would he create something then tell Moses that's how it is when there is so much evidence that we see which makes us question it? 

5 minutes ago, XTreme said:

From what I can make out, @Otto von Jizzmark and @Nute seem to have the same POV based on Science? Is that right?

But @Buckster has an opposing view based on Religion!

And @zzzak has another opposing view based on his conspiracy research!

So we've got 4 different people.....but 3 different POV's. Is that right?

Anybody else want to join in with yet another POV?

I would just like to add that I am a Christian, my questions are not motivated by some sort of anti religious viewpoint. 

35 minutes ago, Buckster said:

Bible chronology puts the age of the earth to be at least 6000 years, the flood at around 4500 years ago. Despite all this young earth stuff, 6000 years is old but you have been conditioned to think in millions and billions of years by people who present unsustainable theories as facts.

Do you have a link to how this age is arrived at, or can you elaborate?

@Buckster out of interest where do you get the 5000 years, or whatever it is, that you are working to as the age of the earth. Apologies if you have explained this before and I’ve missed it. 

8 minutes ago, Buckster said:

Radiometric dating assumes that the measurable elements have always existed in the same quantities as today. It also assumes that radioactive decay has always occurred at the same rate. It is also very selectively applied. It is based on untestable assumptions and it has been proven incorrect when it failed to age rocks formed during volcanic eruptions, sited of returning dates of less than 100 years old it returns ages of hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. 

Just so I'm getting this straight, are you saying that the half life of a particular isotope is variable? 

I keep telling myself I must look at the stuff Zak posted, but keep finding other stuff that's more fun, like tidying up the garage or cleaning the toilet.  My dentist told me I need a filling replacing, I'm wondering how hard it can be to do it myself...

On 15/04/2024 at 21:32, Clive said:

Rain stopped here a while ago......and its 8c.....business as usual. 

I got finished with work and it was sunny outside so thought id go out for a random ride. When I went outside it was freezing so changed my mind. Within 20 mins it was pissing down ... 

8 hours ago, zzzak said:

once again I was right, and in being right I learnt something as well, you can't get a 90 right angled shadow from a single light source, its a good thing that I noticed that the matchstick on the right hand side had been leaned over in Newts picture so now I no longer need to question why the shadows are going two ways from a single source, they are both in the same plane but one is side on and the other is vertical, simple really.

Interesting interpretation of the facts there.  Once again you weren't right, you were the polar opposite of right, but I'm glad you have finally understood the basic concept that its the angle/orientation of the item casting the shadow that determines the angle of the shadow. 

As the whole shadow thing seems to be one of the popular arguments on which the moon hoax thing is hung, now that you realise that argument is bollox does it make you question some of the other "proofs" that are put forward which are complete crap too?

As to the rest of your post and the photos I'm not sure what you are getting at there. Im working today so don't have the time to wade through it all now. You might have to give us some pointers on that. 

25 minutes ago, zzzak said:

 

Here it is, the bending of light from a single source, first its one way then the other, pretty simple when you think about it, if you look at the other picture one toothpick is leaning over, hahahaha.

So, who wants to be humiliated next ?

Of course it’s bloody leaning over, the bits of the lunar lander thing in your photo are at different angles, you can see it in the bloody photo. That’s why the shadow is at a different angle.  For fuck sake how can this be so difficult to grasp?

4 hours ago, zzzak said:

So I took a closer look at that and lo and behold, the shadows are going in the same direction, the trick in the picture is that one match has been leaned over to give the false impression that the light is going two ways, but as I said its only going the one.

Do you normally introduce subterfuge into an argument, is that the best that you have.

This might help...

Branches go all different directions = shadows do the bloody same

4 hours ago, zzzak said:

So I took a closer look at that and lo and behold, the shadows are going in the same direction, the trick in the picture is that one match has been leaned over to give the false impression that the light is going two ways, but as I said its only going the one.

Do you normally introduce subterfuge into an argument, is that the best that you have.

The shadows go exactly as shown in the photo. How do you think I have tricked you? 
 

As said in my original post the angle of the shadow depends on the angle of the thing casting the shadow. It’s not trickery, it’s physics. The two bits of the lunar lander casting the shadows are at different angles in your “evidence” photo, by doing the same with matchsticks it produces the same thing. Ffs, how hard can this be to understand? 
 

First the shadow is a reflection … now it’s trickery…  You swallow the jibberish from whatever web site you go to for the conspiracy crap yet you refuse to believe a simple photo with a torch and two matchsticks showing simple physics. 

1 hour ago, zzzak said:

why don't you clear it up instead of answering a question with a question.

 

…because you will just go back to conspiracytheorysforthegullible.com for something else to cry wolf about. 

1 hour ago, zzzak said:

People are dropping dead in droves and you think that you're clever with this, the people that made the reports are the people that were affected or do you think that it was a vast conspiracy or something ?

I’m merely pointing out that my dog could have submitted a VEAR report, or even a couple of dozen reports attributing his dinner being late to me being jabbed, and you want to condemn the vaccines given to millions on data that it potentially hugely unreliable. … and you accuse me of coming up with a conspiracy theory 

1 hour ago, zzzak said:

That's reflected light, light always travels in a straight line. 

Reflected off what? The torch is pointed straight at the matchsticks. 

7 minutes ago, zzzak said:

Not that that matters as the spacesuits were hanging loosely, if they were pressurised with an oxygen supply they would have looked like the Michelin man.

I accepted that the photo was mislabeled or did you miss that.

Shadows don't go at 90 degrees from each other from a single light source.

Had your jabs, feeling OK ?

 

 

Witchcraft? 

Hey Zzzak, 

Here's the form to fill in to make a VAER report -

https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp

Literally anyone can do it. So its totally scientific valid to use data that anyone and his dog could have posted ...